Curse

Ghost Omel · Jul 09, 2009, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Since you rarely see the same person twice, and guild tags are unmemorable, people in Guild Wars are effectively anonymous, leading to no repercussions for bad behavior, which tends to make people treat each other like shit, and make PUGs a shitty experience. GW2 is supposed to fix that and add more of a shard-style community feel.

Whatcha mean by shard-style community.. kinda lost there might elaborating?

Gigashadow · Jul 09, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

By shards, I mean servers (worlds). They already said GW2 will have different worlds, for a tighter community, but you will be able to easily move between them so you can always play with your friends.

Ghost Omel · Jul 09, 2009, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Oh alright i thought about it but then got confused...Agree completely i mean its no different then Districts now i mean they kinda divide the comunity as well up to a point.But even in this sharded comunity getting lost inbetween the crowds will be as easy as it is now.. and i doubt any 1 would remember your good deed UNLESS you have sigh on your armor saying "I helped you with a mission .. remember me we can PuG again" sighn.

Painbringer · Jul 09, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Its easier and faster and I do not have to wait, or have anyone wait for me.

I like groups but rarley have the time to dilly dally about builds or BRB or At merch 1 sec etc...

UnChosen · Jul 09, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Because even with all the "overpowered" skills like SF that are supposed to make everything easy and "ruin PvE"....90% of pugs still fail, and that is assuming you can find a pug in the first place.

Willow O Whisper · Jul 09, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Guildies>Heroes> pugs that pretty much sums up how i play

and why i play so just look at the previous post..

upier · Jul 09, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Because I can.
And if I couldn't - I probably wouldn't be playing GW.

tacodome · Jul 09, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I'm a fairly new player and a couple of nights ago, I completed Prophecies for the first time ever. Pugged the whole way through and had a lot of fun. I'd much rather play with real people, even with the liabilities that come with that.

I got through Ring of Fire with bonus with a PUG even though we quickly found out our one Warrior wasn't infused and was pretty much worthless. That prompted our other monk to leave. We didn't have a nuker. .... no damage and only one monk... it took a little longer than it should have, but we made it. I was a very busy monk in that mission and I had a blast.

I can play with guildies from time to time, but when everybody's competent in PvE, I can sit back and end up just wanding the bad guys while occasionally healing someone. Struggling PUGs are just more fun.

Also, did Hell's Precipice on the first try with a PUG and there was one other person there finishing prophecies for the first time, and it was a cool experience. We stayed in the end-game area longer than everybody else and chatted a bit. We were both pretty excited. It was neat to experience that with another human instead of typing.... "What do you think of that, Ogden?" and getting no response.

-Makai- · Jul 09, 2009, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Why I prefer H/H over PuGs:

1. No annoying memes/pop culture references.
2. No "srry haf 2 eat" kids.
3. A competent group that actually listens and has some understanding of how the game works, even if said understanding is artificial.

Brawn Over Brains · Jul 09, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

I play generally because humanity are ignorant obnoxious idiots.
I prefer being able to control, although Ogden sometimes decides to An Hero..
I suppose that's just AI.
The other day though, I took a chance with a PUG and got master's NM on Tahnakai temple previously failing it a couple of times..
I rarely PUG, especially with Hell's Precipice..
PUGing Hell's is ridiculous.
But I'd rather have one of my hero's aggro occasionally than the other 7 people I'm PUGing with aggroing every 2 minutes.
especially when it's in HM.

aapo · Jul 09, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Fallen

I had an awesome time, made two brand new friends, and, then, a question popped into my head: Why does everybody choose to H/H? I would much rather play with real gamers and make new friends, then go through a mission in complete silence.

- Isn't it obvious? Most of the players who respond are powergaming egoists. Been there, done that myself, but I quit when I realized that no one cares about me finishing a mission, except my proud self.

englitdaudelin · Jul 09, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

People said it before-- Much of the problem now has to do with the dispersion of the playerbase. There are LOTS of great, knowledgeable, capable PvE players out there, who would be great to PuG with.

The problem is, they're off somewhere else, on a different continent, in a dungeon, in the mission already, spamming their phat lewt in Kamadan, or vanquishing. In any given moment, in any one outpost, there may be a small handful of willing, available people for a PuG. But are they Pugging the same thing I am? Are they getting ready to zone somewhere else? Are they ready to form a guild vanquish?

With 4 continents and probably over 100 outposts and 100 more instances, my chances of actually finding a group that won't make me grind my teeth are smaller and smaller.

Ironically, PvE skills and Flavor-of-the-Wiki group compositions may have made successful pugging a little easier in HM. In one of those PuGs, everyone SHOULD know their roles, and know what to do. So theoretically, the pugging might actually not fail. I know this isn't the case, but I think there's a reason plenty of people still pug the VS farms and look for the Cryways.

So now there's probably another reason not to PuG that some people have alluded to--they're still "purists" (or "elitists," depending on your point of view), who dislike all the "-ways" that have come to dominate the PvE game (in both PuGs and H+H).

so, care to address that? Do all the "button-mash" team builds make you more or less likely to join a PuG? Do they make PuGging easier and more successful, or just more of the same proof of general idiocy?

glacialphoenix · Jul 10, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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so, care to address that? Do all the "button-mash" team builds make you more or less likely to join a PuG? Do they make PuGging easier and more successful, or just more of the same proof of general idiocy?

I don't think it's the build itself, it's the way people treat the builds. You're still playing as a team, and that means a certain amount of co-operation is needed. Demanding a PvX wiki simply on the basis that it's a tried and tested build, without looking at the situation at hand, is idiocy. Demanding a PvX wiki build on the grounds that it synergises with someone else's build, on the other hand, is way more likely to ensure success.

DreamWind · Jul 10, 2009, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

The majority of pugs fail because a lot of players in this game are horrible.

Ironically, a lot of players are horrible because they use heroes.

The Little Viking · Jul 10, 2009, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by Vazze

I liked PUGs, yes it was frustrating, but it had its moments, and I like heroes too. I just had this idea (no idea if anybody suggested it before): new titles (or other rewards) that require all human parties for missions/certain quests, it would work like HM/NM => PUG mode lol. Would people jump on something like that?

No, I for 1 would not "jump on something like that". Like was stated, PUGS had their moment...their moment is over.
If Im playing with real people I play in guild only. And even that can be frustrating...BRB mom is calling. BRB dog needs to go out. BRB pregnant wife wants milk...the list is endless. Even in guild you get the occasional, "go on without me, I will catch up". Even before heros, if I could get away with it, I took henchmen over a pug group because it was actually less frustrating then the usual kid running off and dying and blaming the monk who was actually doing his job, or the BRB gotta pee. Let alone the language that is tossed around like its the norm. If I want to listen to someone cuss up a storm over nothing, then I will go to work and listen to the boss rant over nothing. I play GW to get away from reality for a while, not make the day any more frustrating then it already is. But jump on board with a requirement of playing with PUGS? I would quit the game.

Regulus X · Jul 10, 2009, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Heroes >>> Real Players in every way, all day, every day, 'til the day that the Developers pull the plug on GW1's servers and tell us to buy GW2. *peace*

Heroes:

Real Players:

Nuff sedd?

Monk of Myst · Jul 10, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I prefer to H/H for several reasons:

1.) As a monk who does H/H, I'm not getting the idiot who decides to rush into a mob REALLY far ahead of me and gets himself killed, blaming me and stalking me after to tell me how bad of a monk that I am because I didn't heal him when running in there would have also gotten me killed and that's IF I could have caught up and now I've ruined his survivor title.

2.) I can experiment with a new build and not have some jerk telling me "you're build's not from Wiki! FAIL! EPIC FAIL!" or "You're build doesn't have <insert elite skill here>! You're a noob!" I don't mind suggestions and I take suggestions seriously but when people sit there and say I'm a noob just because I'm trying something new, I do not tolerate it. If the build doesn't work, then at least I'm not using it on human players and people aren't complaining how I'm so bad.

3.) I can balance the group better than someone who believes 6 eles (all with fire magic) and two monks is balanced team in Ring of Fire (I have had this happen to me before back when I first started playing and the person bragged how they were playing for a year).

4.) Do some of you people realize how hard it is to get into a decent group as a mesmer? Most people look at mesmers and say "Yeah, right, you don't do much damage and you don't heal well, we don't want you!" Yes, a mesmer may not do much damage but most people don't understand how mesmers work or what they're good for!

5.) If you're going for a title that requires work rather than money or if you don't want to spend the money but you can get it by working hard, good luck getting a team together. Skill Hunter the old fashioned way is a joke and if you want to get a team together for skill hunting, most people will tell you to buy an Elite Tome. Explorer title takes so long and people sit there and complain that it's too hard and takes too long.

6.) Heroes and Hencies are computerized. They don't talk back to you. They don't abandon you. They don't pretend that they know what they're doing.

Those are my top reasons for using H/H. I've had one too many immature idiots in the past year harass me for whatever reason, especially since I've made my monk my primary. Last year, I didn't mind using PUGs as much but now, as the game gets older and the population grows, I find that the average player's maturity has gone up with the price of Sapphires (oh I'm sorry, they've gone down)!

Just4Fun · Jul 10, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

with H/H I can start a vanguish, go use the restroom, go to the neighborhood store, do my laundry then come back and continue.

SpyderArachnid · Jul 10, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I actually enjoy teaming up with players when I get the chance. Otherwise, if no one is looking for groups, I just H/H. Even if we wipe or just get a bad group, I laugh it off and move on. It's just a game. We are meant to have fun and enjoy it. Why not have fun and enjoy it with the community? Who cares if someone is a noob? Help em out.

I'm not stingy like some of the others and say "Oh players suck and are noobs QQ". Suck it up champ. If they suck so much, help them get better. Or else they will be "noob" forever. No one gets good on their own. I'm sure everyone got pointers once in their life from someone else that made them a better player. I'd rather play with others and help them out if they need it, then say "Oh I don't want to team up with them cause they are noobs. My heroes are better".

If I get the chance, I will group up with anyone that needs a group. I'm just that way. I use H/H as a last resort if there is no other players around. Like someone said before, when you beat something and get excited, it's no fun turning to your Heroes and saying "Great Job". I'd rather share my gaming experience with others and help them if need be.

Gigashadow · Jul 10, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

If they suck so much, help them get better. Or else they will be "noob" forever. No one gets good on their own. I'm sure everyone got pointers once in their life from someone else that made them a better player. I'd rather play with others and help them out if they need it, then say "Oh I don't want to team up with them cause they are noobs. My heroes are better".

The problem with this, is that they don't want (and won't accept) help, because they don't know they are noobs. You need a certain amount of awareness of your knowledge to even get to that stage.